[dark_majico]

And I hear what YOU'RE saying, but to me that's like saying you believe that with the fighter class one should only build a general heavy tank... not a light weapon parry swashbuckler or a weapon specialist (not Weapon Master) or mix fighter into any one of the other classes to make the type of character you've conceived.

Or a William-Tell-caliber archer. For some reason, people have this crazy idea that Rangers make the best archers. They don't; the Feats and abilities which come with that Class don't even scratch archery's surface. If you want to play a great archer, you go with a high-Dexterity Fighter and sink those Bonus Feat slots into archery-related Feats: Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot, Weapon Focus: Longbow, Weapon Specialization: Longbow (which only Fighters -- and not Rangers -- can pick), and so on. You might also consider going with Light or Medium armor, since archers may need to retreat from the enemy before loosing more arrows into them (especially on this server, where heavy armor slows you down considerably).

Remember, people: Just because your Class comes with a Feat doesn't mean that you should use it. All Clerics can wear heavy armor. Heavy armor comes with nasty penalties for certain Dexterity-based Skills (like the stealth skills). So Corella, being a rather Rogue-like Cleric with the Divine Trickery power, shuns heavy armor because it would cause her far more problems than benefits. Same goes for Dex-whore Fighter builds. ;)

But seriously, where did that Ranger stereotype come from?

Robin hood, and I think a long or a short bow is more of a "ranger weapon" because of its connections to woodlands in popular culture, where as I think of swords and daggers when I think rogues, or a crossbow.

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HA, you know I hear what your saying, and I hear this point made all the time but I just don't believe it in my own mind. When I look at the rogues character sheet all I can see is "sneaky underhanded backstabbing bastard class, THIEF!". The skills, the feats, sneak attacks, HIPS, weapon proficiencies, everything about the thief class looks like a thief to me, I'd much rather have seen other classes added to NWN instead of an all encompassing notion that the rouge class can mean like (random number) 7 or 8 different types of character or whatever.

And I hear what YOU'RE saying, but to me that's like saying you believe that with the fighter class one should only build a general heavy tank... not a light weapon parry swashbuckler or a weapon specialist (not Weapon Master) or mix fighter into any one of the other classes to make the type of character you've conceived.

IMO the strength of both fighter and rogue classes is how easily they can be mixed in with other classes to create what you're looking for. Rogue is a heavily skill- & feat-based class, but even with all those skill points you generally can't max out all the rogue skills, so you pick and choose where your skill points go, which means choosing a style for how you're going to play the rogue class.

A pure rogue with 16 INT (pretty high) has 11 skill points per level. If you ignore craft armor, craft trap, & craft weapon which are useless in Thay (yes, yes... craft armor for Lycans) that means you've got 8 or 9 class skills you can't put any points into if you're maxing the others. If you build a rogue and don't put any points into lockpicking, pickpocket, or the two traps skills... how is that character even vaguely thief-like?

For the feats, HiPS is shadowdancer, not rogue. If you look at the rogue feats they're really about being dextrous and avoiding damage. That doesn't sound all that thiefy to me, just light and agile. Other than that the only thing that is truly integral to the rogue class is sneak attacks. Monks can be just as stealthy as rogues, does that make them thieves? No.

I firmly stand by my statement about rogues... try thinking about them differently :)

aAAAh i think my world just came crashing down, your probably right, im a douche lol