[Hellstrom]

One thing I would like to mention, at least with how things are currently implemented now; is the seldom-used ability to turn off XP gains. If someone uses that and is willing to wait at level 7 for X amount of time while they become notorious enough to take Shadowdancer, they could still get HiPS as low as level 8. Notoriety is not guaranteed to make someone wait for higher levels to take it....just more likely since few people turn off XP.

Use of this tactic/option, while I don't know if anyone has ever done it for SD, is another reason why I am considering removing the notoriety requirements for SD and RDDs.

Well, this is getting a bit off-topic, but I've considered using this for Garr when he hits 10th or is near to it. However, I think I recall seeing a couple of differing statements about whether or not turning it off actually increases the rate of earning notoriety. If it doesn't increase notoriety then there's not much point turning off XP gains because at least you can always use the XP for the forge while you're waiting for enough notoriety.