[Sundraoi]

Chania did beat the crap out of Sergeant Victoria for not properly training the recruits.. and for keeping her armor on and adding stone skins while being disciplined by Lt. Stormbringer. Punishment should be felt and wearing armor or having magical protections up is a big no-no. The others, Chania left for the Lt. to discipline. The next time one of these recruits disobeys an order from her will go much worse for them.. new faction update or not. *cracks her knuckles*

[Animayhem]

Interesting discussion. This has been very enlightening.

It seems to me that some additional leverage for faction leaders might be useful to keep insubordinate members in line, limit them faction-wise ICly, or cut them loose entirely. So I will soon be completing the long-overdue faction addition to allow ranks 4 & 5 (Captains and Tribunes, Veteran Members and Officers, Clergy and Respected Clergy) of the various factions to use their faction item on a member of a lesser rank to either halt faction advancement or boot them out of the faction altogether. Getting booted will come with a pretty good hit to notoriety to the offending member, so it will affect other things that rely on notoriety (word spreads about the individual's unreliability/disgrace/whatever).

I imagine the boot option would be used only very rarely, but the threat or thought of it as a potential option may be deterrant enough to keep more faction members in line and following their leaders orders. Also, DMs and the server log would be notifed every time either of those options are used as well.

Though not of the legion, I think this is a nice option as it gives players more interaction in the world. :P
I also like the strict tracking option, as it limits those who would potentially abuse that option.

[Karilynn]

Could the ''halt faction advancement" have an option for a time frame (for instance, one day, or one week, or until halt is removed)? Just thinking that would provide some flexibility for different ranges of punishment, and also not make you need to have the same person around to remove the halt at some point (if it was a day, week, hours, whatever), as sometimes schedules make it difficult to coordinate that.

[Balanor]

I kind of like that idea Karilynn, but it would be a bit more work than I want to put into this at the moment. However, DMs will have the ability to remove a faction hold on advancement, as will any other member of appropriate rank. So the affected PC doesn't necessarily have to wait for the person that put the hold on them to remove it - the ranking member can discuss an amount of time ICly to a certain amount of time the hold will be in place and when they should get together to review it, or the affected PC can try to go behind the ranking members back to another ranking member and see if they will lift it, or (if all else fails), the affected PC could try to work something out ICly with one of our kind, compassionate, and bleeding-heart DMs.

[BigbysBackhand]

As a side option for this kicking people from faction id like to mention another server i used to play on it was based on the robert jordan wheel of time series. Not only could leading officers kick out people from the various factions, it took one of those leading members to first give whatever recruit their faction gear so that the new person had to actually apply with an officer to join said faction not just talk to an npc and automatically be inducted into it, this is of course just an option that would help cut down on just "whomever" joining factions as theyd have to be proven rpers to be allowed to sign up.

[Amracil]

Good stuff, this chat. Though I was not involved in what happened, I have an opinion. The idea that players new to the server "deserve" to have their character severely punished for not knowing details is not one I agree with. Sure, Thay is a ruthless, cold and cruel nation. But particularly in light of the fact that I am new here I hope that, should I fail to have memorized everything here in a week that some here have had years to assimilate, my character will not be ruthlessly beat down without so much as a tell from another player giving some sort of explanation.

Respects,

Am

[EdinSumar]

Good stuff, this chat. Though I was not involved in what happened, I have an opinion. The idea that players new to the server "deserve" to have their character severely punished for not knowing details is not one I agree with. Sure, Thay is a ruthless, cold and cruel nation. But particularly in light of the fact that I am new here I hope that, should I fail to have memorized everything here in a week that some here have had years to assimilate, my character will not be ruthlessly beat down without so much as a tell from another player giving some sort of explanation.

Respects,

Am

Admittably, it is a pretty good way to learn, though, and it's not like it is you who is getting beat down, just your character. Ignorance is no excuse, afterall, and punishment of that ignorance could lead to some interesting interaction and then relationship between the punisher and punished.

That's my thoughts on it, at least.

- Edin

[Sten]

Good stuff, this chat. Though I was not involved in what happened, I have an opinion. The idea that players new to the server "deserve" to have their character severely punished for not knowing details is not one I agree with. Sure, Thay is a ruthless, cold and cruel nation. But particularly in light of the fact that I am new here I hope that, should I fail to have memorized everything here in a week that some here have had years to assimilate, my character will not be ruthlessly beat down without so much as a tell from another player giving some sort of explanation.

Well as Edin says, Punishment makes people learn faster, that is how I learned on my first Chat how to properly speak to Red Wizard, and really made me not forget how to. and when you are a member of the Legion and have sworn an oath to the Tharchion, then you should really know his name, if you don't then research it..took me like, 2 minutes to find alot of info on Thay.

-Sten

[Balanor]

In agreement with Amracil, I'd just like to mention that the proposed additions will *hopefully never* be used on PCs simply because they don't know much about Thay (if deemed appropriate other IC punishment such as what has been talked about whould be given), and would only be used on PCs who have joined a faction and prove to be disrespectful or insubordinate to other members of their faction who have a higher standing. So a legionnaire not knowing the tharchion wouldn't necessarily be a reason to get kicked out of a faction, but talking back to your commanding officer, not obeying his orders, or being a general jerk could cause the PC to get kicked out.

But maybe someone(s) would be interested in posting some commonly known info in the World Background forum for new(er) members of the community to review details of the world outside of the game? And there is always the option to visit the temple of Oghma in-game and take quests to gather info about Thay as well.

[EdinSumar]

I'm just talking about having the snot beaten out of you, not getting kicked out of the faction, mind.

- Edin